The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Composite Sun in the 2nd House. RUN ? I am sufficiently haunted. He literally proposed to me the night we met. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. how this would manifest? We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! VERY-VERY SORRY! The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Ego issues in relationship. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. Thanks Dawn! The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. So beautifully written Dawn. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. so we find the True in each other. Then we hurt each other. I use both in my practice. mercury and mercury conj. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. . Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Such a great article! I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. WhiteLotus. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! But I do have one question? I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. venus all in the 12th house. this is a very arguementative aspect.it indicates that the two of you have vastly different opinions on most everything . We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. what can we do here? We communicated telepathically and still do. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Was our purpose to heal each other? He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. Oh the powers of the 12th house. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. I do all these within a synastry consulation. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. So much more needs to be considered. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. We are very romantic together and trust each other. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Bright blessings to you. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. You have nailed my experience. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Gilly. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. hi dawn:) Everything you said is so on point. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. While this is tricky to do, it takes a bit of analysis and creativity. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. Thank you for this series of articles! This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. Lovely article. Is Your experience the same? crone status for women. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Hi!! Hey Dawn! But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. In the end it was his choice to end it. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Thank you, Tricia. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. Thank you for your reply Dawn . When we split up I cried every day for a month. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? I need all the help to understand I can get. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. I don know what to do. The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! Is Your experience the same? I feel sad about that. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Thank you for this article. Difficult to ground your energy. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. Just not what I wanted to hear. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. North Node conjuncts Desc. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Because thats what it feels like! Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. Its pretty rare. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. Im from a country in southamerica. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. The attraction was instant. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. I just am hesitating. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Thank you very much Dawn. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. Learn how your comment data is processed. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. And I learned a lot too. this is honestly so beautiful to read. Good luck. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad When the transit Moon is in the composite 6th house, you may be a little emotionally picky in the relationship, and can be a little judgy with one another. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). Chiron in 12th House . We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. We are still friends and well always love each other. Two sides of the same coin. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! So sad! Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. My english is not very good. The ego thing is very true. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? The goal is to look at both your Chiron in the signs and Chiron in the houses together. You will both be changed deeply by it. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. We are both married similar age kids. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of.
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